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mattsoft

Re: A-EON: How to NOT revive the AMIGA brand

by mattsoft Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:57 pm

My 2 cents -- I just don't get it.

Retro is cool because it's retro. When I use the Amiga, I'm "reliving" what it was like to compute back "in the good 'ol days". A modern reinterpretation of Amiga OS and hardware gives me nothing that Windows, Mac OS, or Ubuntu on x86-64 hardware doesn't already provide.

When the Amiga came out, it was truly revolutionary and special as a home computer. The graphics, the sound, the pre-emptive multitasking OS. All of that is standard (AND MORE) today.

So if you're going to make a modern Amiga and recapture imagination, it needs to be truly novel, not just some PPC pumped-up PC from 2005. Otherwise, I'll stick with my MacBook Pro for day-to-day computing, and my classic Amiga for weekend retro benders.
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pgovotsos

Re: A-EON: How to NOT revive the AMIGA brand

by pgovotsos Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:44 pm

The complaints about the high price of the new machines is something that never really made much sense to me. Sure, by today's standards it's a relatively wimpy system for the price but there are understandable reasons for it. The small production runs are never going to result in a low price. Small runs are all there can ever be these days. There aren't enough Amiga enthusiasts to even be called a niche community. It's a niche of a niche populated by the lunatic fringe. Sales in the hundreds and low thousands of each model is all there probably will ever be now. That's no way to achieve cheap systems.

Amigas, except for possibly the 500 to some degree, have always cost a lot of money. You got a lot for the money and in some cases more than you could get on other systems at any price in the days when PCs and Macs didn't have the features available at all.

I think some of us might have short memories of what it was like in the day. The desktop systems like the 3000 and 4000 are the comparable systems of the time. I just double checked the prices of them. The 3000 was $3,999 USD and the 4000 was $3,699 USD. At the time I was quite happy to pay that price for what I got. The price I paid today for an X1000 and X5000, to me, is just as much of a good deal. Obviously not everyone agrees with that :)
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ptyerman
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Re: A-EON: How to NOT revive the AMIGA brand

by ptyerman Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:14 pm

I think a lot of it (calculated from what I've read over the years) comes down to most Amiga users don't agree with or want the PPC architecture. It always has been a expensive route to go down even though there wasn't much of a choice back then. Personally, I would have preferred a shift to MIPS back when it all happened because it was a much better CPU architecture than PPC, but I don't think it would have made any difference to the current price of things.
PPC is a dead end and who knows how long they will be available for? The choices shrink each year. It all boils down to what is left, x86 which MorphOS has stated it will move to, ARM which a lot are calling for, and a continuance of the 68k through FPGA.
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icbrkr
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Re: A-EON: How to NOT revive the AMIGA brand

by icbrkr Sat Mar 03, 2018 11:33 am

I have a x5000, and I don't regret it.

I already have a high powered PC, Mac.. and now Amiga. The cost was a bit high, but at the same time, it's a pretty impressive piece of kit. I also have a thing for real hardware, not emulation, so this was the way to go for me.

Now normally if I went up to the wife and said .. hey, can I have $2k to build a machine? Well I know how'd that'd go. So I just went through my Attic Full of Crap (tm) and Ebay'd it. Had the money in a few weeks. I think I had over 100 auctions going.

It's $1500 for the board, $2000 for a case, 4GB of RAM, 2GB video card, a SSD drive, NIC, sound card and software - I loaded the thing up because I was only going to do this once.

At first it was pretty rocky since the included sound card was a buggy piece of crap. Then it was rocky again, because some keyboards don't work right. But 9 months in, its fun to use. I have it running on my 4k monitor, currrently at 2560 x ... 1440? I don't remember.

I also have a Amiga 4000T, but honestly, that probably cost me more in the long run than this thing. A 4000T isn't cheap, then I have the Cybervision 68060/66 in it... a Mediator board, Radeon card, USB, etc etc... trying to get all those drivers working right is a lesson in pain which is why I went this route.

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